Wednesday, February 6, 2013

Guest Post: Healthcare in NL

So I've decided to get ambitious and possibly lazy and asked my friends if they would like to join in and write up their experiences moving abroad.  All of us do somewhat different things and come from different countries and perspectives and I thought it would be cool to share that with all of my readers.

First up is Teresa!

        Teresa is in my neuroscience masters and works with Green Fluorescent Protein tagged neurons so (nerds that we are) she's a GFP tagged person :)



Hoi!

My name is Teresa and I’m happy to follow Brenna’s invitation to write a guest entry to her blog. I am an Austrian who has lived abroad in the US, Denmark and now the Netherlands, and I am especially interested in intra-European differences.

I had a lot of ideas, ranging from gel-indulging Dutch male hair styles to their blindsiding honesty. But (un)fortunate coincidence has brought to me a topic about which I can now talk about from personal experience: Gezondheidszorg, the Dutch health care system.

It started with a moderate sore throat that I didn’t worry about too much. When it didn’t go away after a week, I went to the local drugstore for advice. Technically not a pharmacy, they mainly sell body care products and a wide selection of relatively high dosed pain medication, many of which wouldn’t be available over-the-counter or outside pharmacies in other European countries.
A bit to my surprise they didn’t try to sell my anything, not even symptomatic relief, which they definitively would have done in Austria.  But simply said that it will go away on its own. ”Maybe get these honey liquorice drops for a euro on sale”, which, a bit faithlessy, I did.

As the symptoms worsened and I felt too sick to work, I decided to go to find a GP. Finding one, making an appointment and bridging the language gap went smooth, she saw me the same day. Again to my surprise, she discouraged me of taking any antibiotics but recommended strong pain relievers and faith in my immune system. With a background in molecular biology, I do generally have the latter, and I understand the fear of creating multi-resistances, so I decided to wait the weekend and see.

At that point, Brenna was the first one to mention to me that the Dutch have the tendency not to give medication when not absolutely necessary. I didn’t think about it too much, since in my experience the US American environment was more inclined to give out medication than my Austrian one.
Without giving too many details, it wasn’t a good idea to wait and I acquired some unpleasant stuff. I don’t consider myself a hypochondriac, and I was feeling a certain degree of urgency, so I was quite sure that when I went back to the GP the Monday after, that she would give me antibiotics. But still, no. She wasn’t sure what the effect would be. I should see a specialist first, meaning possibly waiting for one to two weeks for an appointment. In the meantime, she could give me stronger pain medication. 

Which I was quite sure wouldn’t close my ulcer.
This spurred my interest in this, in my eyes, bewildering system. What is the philosophy behind it? How is it organized?
One of the first things I read was a guideline1 for expats to the health care system. Some excerpts:

"In general, there is a natural, non-interventionist approach to medical and maternity care in The Netherlands, reflected in the reluctance of doctors to prescribe drugs unless absolutely necessary, the general practice of giving birth without any pain relief and the high proportion of home births. Additionally, doctors tend to volunteer much less information to their patients about their conditions than is normal practice elsewhere, and there is far less preventative health screening than in many other western countries; it is not, for example, usual for women to have annual pap smears. Some non-Dutch nationals living in The Netherlands reportedly find this approach to healthcare a source of concern.“
"Alternative treatments, such as homeopathy and acupuncture, are very popular in The 
Netherlands and the cost of these are sometimes covered by health insurance."
(Skeptics – where are you?)

The guide states that 55% of Dutch births take place at home, apparently the highest rate in the Western world (a short search in academic literature2 suggests lower rates, 25-35%). The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services estimates the US American share of home births to be around 0.70%, similar to the rates I could find for other European countries.
I find it difficult to embed this non-interventionalist fact, with some homeopathic hagelslag³ mixed in, into my general picture of Dutch culture. It especially seems to collide with their tradition and general high esteem of science.

Why give somebody pain medication, when there is a remedy that might have the same amount or even less side effects – taking into account that the natural course can take considerably longer? Do they value “fighting” something through on your own? Do you get a medal?

-(The popular blog ”Stuff Dutch People like” offers another explanation: Home births are just more gezellig - cozy, intimate, sociable.)

Another aspect that I find intriguing: If there is a tendency to “let nature take its course”, which I read from child birth without pain relief and generally less medication given – how does this fit with the Dutch liberal attitude towards euthanasia? Is suffering just a part of it at some, but not other stages of life?

Maybe I expect too much philosophy behind this. The reasons might be merely economical. Give less medication unless necessarily needed, save costs. But what about the longer time courses of disease? The missed days of work?

As a simplification, let’s look at some statistics: According to the OECD report  ”Health at a Glance 2011”4 the Netherlands has the second highest health expenditure in relation to GDP (following the US) of OECD member countries, which is roughly synonymous with the Western World. When looking at expenditure on pharmaceuticals per capita as a share of GDP, it scores a lot lower, 17th place out of 32 OECD member countries. While generally giving less than average medication, the Netherlands is the country of the Western world distributing the least amount of antibiotics, half of average. There seems to be a commission just dedicated to the decrease of usage, which in general seems legitimate – as long as people don’t start hesitating to use them when there really is a need for them.

So apparently, there is a difference in allocation of health care spending in the Netherlands compared to other countries, with less spent on medication. Then what do they spend it on? They score average for all measures I could find, such as doctors consultations per capita and length of stay in hospitals.5

Final outcomes: In life expectancy at age 65, it only scores 19th, and 10th (out of 32 countries each) in population aged 65 years and over reporting to be in good health, according to the same report.
OECD’s ”Society at a glance”6 from 2006 places the Netherlands slightly above average for work days lost to sickness and disability.

Thus, there seems to be a lot of spending with moderately satisfying outcomes. And some frustrated expats!

References
1 „Dutch Health Care System“ by Bronovo Hospital, Den Haag. (http://www.bronovo.nl/NR/rdonlyres/9C846A53-22AD-40BB-9B92-E9242A123053/0/dutch_health_care_apr2011.pdf)
² Maternity Care in the Netherlands: The Changing Home Birth Rate. Wiegers et al, 1998. BIRTH 25:3.
³ http://stuffdutchpeoplelike.com/2011/03/06/hagelslag/
4 OECD: Health at a glance
http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/social-issues-migration-health/health-at-a-glance-2011_health_glance-2011-en

5 Interesting detail: The report also states that approx. 66% of adult females are screened for cervical cancer (pap test), so I guess the person of the guide mentioned above prided the Netherlands a bit too much on non-interventionalism.

6 OECD. Society at a glance
http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/social-issues-migration-health/society-at-a-glance-2006_soc_glance-2006-en

12 comments:

  1. Thanks Teresa :) I found this particularly relevant to me. I am at school in Texas, and happen to be currently sick, and have a Dutch professor who seems to have a bizarre (from the American perspective) attitude towards illness. I wanted to just share the situation and see if it seems to line up with what you're discussing:

    Last night I had a (tedious) 5 hour rehearsal, playing in the orchestra directed by said Dutch professor/director. I am visibly sick, and he noticed I was constantly sniffing, blowing my nose, and appeared generally unwell. He approached me after the rehearsal and said although he understood the feeling of being unwell - and mentioned he had skipped 7 nights worth of sleep in the past couple of weeks just trying to 'get everything done' - he advised me to 'take the opportunity to play especially good music' especially when I'm sick to help me feel better. In other words, to suck it up and try to distract yourself with playing well. Since sickness is inevitable, according to him, it should be ignored.

    • He also refuses to wear any kind of deoderant, but is a chain smoker and apparently constantly deprives himself of sleep.

    I wondered if any of this rings true with your experience. I do not mean to put down Dutch people's approach to health - I am the first to admit Americans have NOT got it all figured out! - just curious about the cultural differences.

    (P.S. This is Renée!)

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    1. From Teresa: Hm, that is odd. I can see how it would fit with a non-interventionalist attitude. Fortunately here, with my supervisors at the university, I've had the exact opposite experience. They've been very kind and given me time to recover.
      Maybe character differences play in here too.

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    2. That prof of yours sounds like he's mad. I hope he hasn't become somewhat of a benchmark-Dutchie for you now, as sleeping, use of deodorant and some evidence of empathy are actually quite common here ;)

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  2. Very funny to read the opinions of other people on this. I have quite different experiences, but I think it also depends on your GP. The one I used to have when I lived with my parents was pretty easy with giving medication (although he was also pretty old since he's retired for two years already, so maybe him being easy was from the old generation of docters). The practice I'm with now has two GP's, one of which I find an idiot (a man) and one of which is a good GP (a woman). The woman doesn't give out medication very easily, but I have never had the feeling that she didn't give me medication when I did need it. The man however is an idiot, and he did 'withhold' me medication. I went to him 4 times in 2 years (the woman was unavailable then unfortunately) because I thought I had an ear infection. Every time he said he could see there was something going on, but it wasn't really infected so I should wait (and that could take up to 6months) and it would go away by itself. When i went there for the fifth time, he said it indeed looked a bit infected and that it looked like a 'sluimerende' (don't know the translation, something that is somewhat hidden, something like 'disguised' or 'concealed') infection. I was like DUHH and it's probably been there all along since I know how my ear feels when its infected, I've had earinfections many times before. So I just avoid having appointments with him now, and I'm really happy with the woman-doctor.
    But then again, maybe I'm just used to the way it's done here, I don't know any better! :)

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  3. A brief comment from my part:
    I'm not a big expert on the health system of the Netherlands, so I can only share my own experiences. For the most part I have to echo Carolien's point about the differences between GP's. I've had an infection before and in my memory he did not hesitate to give me the required anti-biotics.

    However, on the homeopathy part, I feel obliged to give you a short update. Last year, our minister of health, Edith Schippers, has gone upfront in a charge against homeopathy. She pledged for 'medicine' to show on the package whether it has been proven to work or not. She's currently member of the leading party, namely the VVD. I'm not sure what she has achieved at the current moment, but you can be sure that the current government is not to sympathetic towards homeopathy.

    I must note however, that a minister from the same party said recently that a paragnost is a valid tool to solve a crime.

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    1. From Teresa: Ahahaha, paragnosts. We need one at the RMI!
      About homeopathy, we have the same issue in Austria. I think part of the problem is that a share of medical doctors believe in it too. At least to the extent where they try to sell it to patients (at least that's what they do in Austria). I had a quite amusing/distressing argument with one once...
      Can GPs here sell things and/or do they get a share of the medication they prescribe?
      I realized that a lot of people who are "neutral" to homeopathy never really thought about how the pills are made..

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    2. GPs don't prescribe brands here, just the active substance and its up to the pharmacy to chose a brand. Dunno, it just sounds wrong to me for a GP to benefit from prescribing drugs.
      Regarding homeopathy, it might be useful to distinguish between plant extracts in pill-form and the stuff they dilute however many times they do. The latter is the more disputed of the two (and rightly so I'd say). And well, even if it's only a placebo, if it works, it works :)

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    3. Strictly speaking, as far as wikipedia says, homeopathy refers to the dilution concept you mention. Plant extracts etc. are alternative medicine, but not homeopathy per se.

      And I would disagree with you in the "if it works, it works" aspect. Because it undermines the doctor-patient relationship and legitimatizes quakery. If I go to a medical doctor, and he thinks I am healthy or can't help me, I think they should tell me. If I then want to get alternative, non-scientific treatment, it is up to me to go to a "healer" and pay for a placebo effect.

      I totally agree with you on the "GPs shouldn't profit from prescriptions" issue. Unfortunately it's the case in some countries.

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    4. Well even plants extracts do not have to be alternative medicine. Aspirin can be derived from the bark of a willow tree for example.

      On the term "Alternative medicine": "Alternative medicine has been proven not to work, or has not been proven to work. Do you know how they call alternative medicine that works?: Medicine." - Tim Minchin.

      I agree with Teresa on homeopathy and I would like to add on the "if it works, it works" aspect that I find it morally wrong for companies to make money of the ignorance of people by selling mere sugar pills. Which is what they are, the dilation factor is comparable to a drop in the ocean, leaving no molecule behind in a cup of water. This made some people argue the point that water has 'memory'. A nobel price in Physics is what one awaits if they prove this to be right.. Anyway, another problem I have with homeopathy is that it might refrain people from seeking decent medical help.

      It's funny to hear that most people think that Homeopathy is just "Natural medicine". It's not like that at all. I wonder how that got into the minds of some people.

      To conclude: I would recommend a documentary called: Enemies of Reason (Two episodes). Google it.

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  4. From Teresa: Hey! It was really interesting to read your thoughts on the topic.

    I think you're very right about the inter-GP differences. There might be a more general tendency, but I can only read that from other people's experiences, my sample size is a bit too small.
    The second doctor (specialist) I went to diagnosed an infection and I read that it is (kind of) standard procedure to give antibiotics until the exact cause is determined. He wouldn't have given me any if I hadn't asked for them. At first he was very hesitant to say yes, but then my sly, elaborate argument of "Why wouldn't I take them?" somehow convinced him ;-)

    Well, cheers to evidence-based medicine!"

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  5. Thanks for your blogpost, Teresa :)
    I think for the most part you're right. We're pretty hesitant when it comes to prescribing medication. I'm not sure why but bear in mind that lots of people just complain while there's nothing wrong with them that a few days of rest won't cure. Its up to the GP to spot the one in a hundred that actually does need medical attention and, in my experience, it helps to speak up a bit. I've never been denied medication when I needed it but there have been occasions I had to ask for a prescription. And there may also have been occasions where antibiotics might have sped up the process but the side effects aren't worth it in my view.
    And there's that Dutchie that's not too keen on taking medication, as you suspected.

    I do have a question regarding the over-the-counter pain medication you mentioned. If I'm not mistaking, it's only aspirin, paracetamol (up to 500mg) and ibuprofen (up to 400 mg). Are those considered high dose pain killers elsewhere?
    In Australia and New Zealand Codral, for instance, is sold over-the-counter. It's a combination of Paracetamol, Codeine and Phenylephrine. Pretty potent stuff, those tablets and I've seen quite a few people getting woozy from them. The latter two ingredients are prescription-only here by the way.

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    1. It definitively has some good effects too, like NL having very low numbers of resistant bacteria strains in hospitals.

      I'd be the first to agree that a sneeze doesn't need medication and that a lot of people take medication for wrong reasons. But I do think that doctors should, if it isn't uncalled for, suggest possible treatment options and that it shouldn't be the role of the patient to have to ask for medication (which automatically creates a disadvantage for people not educated in that realm).

      About the over-the-counter pain medication: Nice argument by picking one place where something even more potent is over-the-counter ;-P
      At least in Austria, you can't buy any pain medication outside pharmacies. Pharmacy systems between Austria and NL differ though, because here you have to be registered with one and I guess (?) they monitor what you buy there. In Austria, you can walk into any pharmacy and buy non-prescription drugs, such as some pain medication. But the people working there are pharmacists and you usually get a "talk" about their side effects etc.
      Personally, I think 400 mg Ibuprofes is quite high, 500 mg paracetamol would probably knock me out. I've gone to Etos and stocked up on Ibuprofen because it's a lot cheaper than at home and nobody minded me buying about 8000 mg of it :-D

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